COMMUNITY ED INTERVIEW WITH ALONDRA (SHE/THEY)
aLONDRA
TAVERAS
what comes to mind when you hear sex education?
When I think of Sex Education, I think of my Sex Ed experience. It did not feel like Sex Education but more of a fear tactic similar to when you have DARE come to your school—to scare you from all sorts of drugs and drug ab(use).
I think we need to discuss the connection someone should have with their own body before choosing to share it with someone else. And I think it needs to be introduced at a much younger age than what we currently think is appropriate.
I think about how my mom would threaten me and my sister if we had sex—she would say that we had to pay rent because having sex meant that we thought we were grown, that we were women. In the same way capitalism has reigned universally, we’ve been taught that the quickest way to get someone to do what you want them to do is to use fear—the harder way would be to collaborate and to have a conversation. And that can be hard for adults, especially when kids are the most powerless things on the planet.
what are the advantages of talking about sex/SOLO SEX sooner?
When we address it at a younger age, it’ll allow for it to be integrated into their development. And with the removal of shame. Instead it would bring acceptance. It would embed acceptance into the body—and for me, it is important to be able to merge the mind, the body and the heart and accepting those for what they are. And we need to start normalizing these conversations early on before you are in that part of your life, before you are practicing it and using it and before those hormones start kicking in.
It doesn’t make sense to start having that conversation when its already started, when its already happened, and/or been happening. I think of Big Mouth—they are literally children experiencing these things.
what messages did you receive around pleasure and intimacy?
My mom was definitely raised Catholic. We didn’t really practice that religious experience too much after we came to the United States. For her, she described sex and that type of pleasure as if— once you start, you don’t stop.
Like it was heroine. She described it like heroine. Like it would become this appetite that you suddenly now have to feed. She also described it as vulgar. It was nasty to her. It wasn’t something that was beautiful. Or sacred.
But I know that was connected to her own experiences. She was definitely mistreated and abused by other men and her caregivers particularly because my mom was adopted. She was very vulnerable as a child, so she had really nasty and negative experiences within it. And she often talked to me about that.
how did those messages impact your relationships?
Well the thing about me is that I have always been the rebel in my family and not even intentionally. I wasn’t bad…I just didn’t agree. I heard what she was saying but that wasn’t what I was feeling in my body. I was a very hyper-sexual young adult. My body was ready and was like “let’s do the things!” It made me want to run in the opposite direction of what she was trying to implement. I wanted to get as much of it how I could and when I could.
That created an environment where I didn’t have boundaries at all—I was open to anybody that showed any interest of me. That wasn’t good. I came across a lot of people that took advantage of me or that didn’t value me or put me in some unpleasant situations.
But I’d put up with it because I was getting this attention, I was feeling validated in this way and was doing something that felt exhilarating, exciting and rebellious. I also had little supervision as a child, my mom was always working and so I had a lot of freedom.
I only started to learn about boundaries and safety, maybe when I was 22-23. I had moved to Colorado with my first real long-term girlfriend. We had moved from Florida.
We had been there for maybe like a year and I started working in the Cannabis Industry and I would talk to these women in the turn room where we packaging these products, and we’d talk about things. In this space, I’d talk about my relationship and the things my partner would do.
And I remember the reactions of these two women and their reactions made me realize I was in a bad situation. I was so deep in it. I couldn’t shield it. From things being thrown at me, being physically hurt, the emotional, mental, and manipulative experiences—it was pretty bad. They helped me move out of that place and took me in so I had a place to live.
That was the beginning of me understanding that —I wasn’t in the greatest situation.
I realized it had run its course and that person needed to be out of my life. It took me observing myself more and realizing what I was putting up with which led me onto another journey, one that is so profound.
What advice would you offer to youth about safe relationships?
My advice would be that its important to know the difference between relationships that leave you feeling giddy, joyful, excited, full of bliss versus relationships that evoke anxiety, nervousnesss, overthinking, or even cause change of behavior in that relationship. Knowing the difference between those two. And if you can see that, you can see. But it’s hard. Sometimes we don’t want to see. But, looking at it in this way, like a checklist, has helped me out of situations that weren’t good.
Also, I don’t believe in having to keep anybody or anything. I was recently talking to this other Black woman about how there’s so many conversations about women trying to keep their man and their relationships...
What is for me will always come my way. And what is not meant for me will find its way out eventually, whether its forced or done with intention. The idea of trying to keep anybody sounds like work …and given the advice I mentioned earlier, that’s a red flag to me. There’s a difference between work in a relationship that is expanding, growing and elevating versus work where you are enslaved to somebody and you have to keep topping off, surpassing yourself, proving yourself and your worth to this person. And that being the basis of a relationship? That sounds ridiculous. You should want to be here and it should be a natural give and take.
what messageS did you receive around your gender/sexuality?
Growing up, I knew that queer people existed—they mostly looked like gay men. In the Dominican Republic (DR), they refer to gay men as “pajaros”—which means “bird” in English—which is funny to me because my name is also the name of a bird. Except, in the DR, a lesbian technically is called “pata” —like your “leg.”
I was always told being that way was different. It was something else. And if you are that or if you are to be that, you are only respected if you can flaunt it in a beautiful way. Meaning, if you have money, you can take care of your nails, your clothes, your hair—if you look good, no one can tell you nothing.
My mom is adopted; but knows her biological mom and sister. Once when we came to the US—we met that aunt and she, when I was in 2nd or 3rd grade, started dating a woman. I remember, her partner’s name was Vicky and Vicky was fine—she had these cute afro curls. She was a little more masc presenting and—my aunt was dainty and petite and it was really cute. I remember we had all moved to Albany, NY for a year—where I did 4th grade. My aunt was going to school there and my mom went to try and have a new experience—moving around was a theme in our lives.
But my cousin, my aunt’s daughter, I remember her pulling me into my aunt’s room one night and showed me their double sided dildo—and it was GIANT. I was a kid though so my perception was maybe a bit skewed… but I remembered thinking OMG, it’s so big. All to say, I had this duality where I was curious and it felt so mischievous but it made me want to learn more about it. Especially because my aunt was normalizing it and actually doing it—living with a woman for years. She taught me it was okay—and said, “yeah, they’ll talk shit about you and tell you its a phase—and that you’re going to back,” and she ultimately did—but she lived her life.
Seeing her, I remember thinking this looks like this could be fun and interesting—I like this option. I was already attracted to girls—I didn’t fully understand that and couldn’t communicate that but it was helpful to see and understand why I had more friends that were boys.
I also learned a lot from my older sister who is 3 years older than me and she was hyper-sexual. I watched her get into it—she would sneak boys in. And my stepfather who we lived with for a couple years was a pimp and he would have giant bags of condoms in the closets. And I remember being curious and I’d open one. I opened a few actually and even tried to flush one down the toilet (it was bad). I was told one thing—but then all of the things around me, were right here telling me something else. I didn’t leave it alone… that’s for sure.
When you hear critical race theory what comes to mind and what should be discussed?
I think of 2020 and how important and pivotal it was and is in these conversations—and bringing these conversations into corporate spaces and communities. I think about history and the real conversation of history. Thats what it is to me. A solid win would be the honoring of that in a societal way. To honor history would look like—re-writing the history books to uplift and celebrate real parts of history and putting them in the schools. And if we do that, some things can be possible. Maybe I’d actually consider living in the States again.
When you mention rewriting books, what types of history or stories do you want to see highlighted?
I think of the spiritual. I just started watching the 1619 project about a week ago. And, I think even watching that would be beneficial—I think that having an active conversation about the history of the United States and how it was built on every ounce, energy and effort of the enslaved.
Once we can accept and honor that for what it truly means and fully speaking to it—and honor that in the school space, I think that would truly transform anything. But, you know, that’s a lot. It’s a big step.
How did you learn about your race and background?
I think it was probably when I was taking my ESL class. I was literally taken out of my main class away from everyone else—and placed with other kids who also didn’t speak English very well. I didn’t have to do it for long—maybe a year or two—but I remember watching Sesame Street and learning English through watching TV.
I was so young and at home I didn’t speak English. School was my introduction to speaking English for the first time. I was eager to learn because I wanted to understand what was happening around me and thats when I understood those around me were something else—super light skinned. I remember there was this popular girl in my 2nd or 3rd grade class and she had long blonde hair—nearly white—and she had real pale skin and bright blue eyes. And she was Colombian.
My mom went to her house one day to sell her jewelry— and I remember thinking, “OMG I’m at the most popular girl’s house.” I thought I had a crush on her but it was really all of the peer dynamics that elevated this person purely because of what she looked like.
At the time, we were in Jamaica, Queens and there wasn’t a lot of light skin people around us. There was a mix of different kinds of brown—and so, to see someone like her, she just stood out because of that.
We were always taught about the more favorable aspects—like having softer hair and lighter skin. I’m highly favored in my family because my hair is not kinky and my skin is not as dark. And I’m very much considered American when I go home to my family. I have a sister on my dad’s side, that recently had a baby. Her and her partner are pretty chocolate and their newborn is very light skin and has light brown, almost blonde-ish, hair; and they post her on IG and glorify this baby calling her “rubia” referring to how light her hair and skin is. Even, my uncle lives with his wife and they had twins about a year ago and one of them has kinkier hair and darker skin than the other twin. And they both get treated very differently. And they’re both acknowledged for that difference. One is the “blonde” and one is the “moreno.” It’s wild. It’s a trip…it’s wild how deep this is embedded in our culture, especially as Dominicans especially when I think of the story of that Island.
DR is the first colonized nation by the famous, Christopher, that we know of. And so when I think of that—at least in that region—I know why my skin is as light as it is. I know what I walk with in my DNA. I know what being Dominican means—I am very much a mix but most Dominican people will not acknowledge that.
Many Dominicans will go back to Spain and be proud to live in “Espana.” It runs real deep. Even the killing of the original people. All of that is lost. Even when I was there in 2018—I had been traveling to a few different countries and spent lots of time in Mexico visiting anthropology museums—and when I went to DR, I was really excited to see what’s my country got?! The building that shows the precious artifacts from the indigenous people of that land is in a run down building with no running AC, electricity or staff. The items are extremely old, outdated, damaged, some even stolen…it was terrible. The disconnection and the lack of care for that part of history, there’s no pride….there’s no acknowledgment to it all of where we come from. That’s why Dominicans are so good—they have their own term. The “Dominican Blowout” —they are going to get those kinks STRAIGHT.
HOW CAN EDUCATION BETTER SUPPORT OUR QTPOC YOUTH?
Offer tools for parents. I was just doing a session with these new aged moms who were ready to have some of these conversations with their children but it can sometimes be overwhelming for the kids, especially if its their first time having these conversations. Sometimes it makes them uncomfortable or it feels too much. They receive it but its not always met with excitement or reciprocity.
Even with the experience of menstrual celebrations. There’s often this giant amplification of it—and its sometimes a surprise (and it’s like you can’t surprise somebody with that). I understand the why and desire to usher someone in, but I want to encourage others to explore—especially for parents, how can we ritualize this? For it to have more intention. Beyond, “We’re going to get you a cake and balloons”—and maybe someone says a word or two—but instead, create your own rituals around what that would look like. Adding more intention, and moving beyond the show and the trends.
And specifically listening to what that child would even really want. I’d also add, that some of these conversations are things we can start when they are babies. Acknowledge those parts and names of their bodies. This is a life long conversation. Encourage parents and others to observe and reflect on how they can re-program the ways that they view children’s bodies.
I had just watched Woman King—and there was a scene where she was wrapped in a blanket and she had just come into the trading post area and started burning shit down—it was implied that she was naked under this blanket—and the dude was coming into the room, he was shirtless—but I was speaking to the fact that they didn’t sexualize her body, even if something went down, they didn’t make his role to be saving you, caressing you, touching you—it was none of that.
WHAT should OUR EDUCATION SPACES LOOK and/or feel like?
I think some of these spaces need to be away from the system or the city. I’d love for youth to be able to step away. I would have loved a space to take a weekend for myself and maybe there’s counselor available to hold space for me, or there’s food so I’m being fed, or a space to create art or make music—a space to create and express what I’m feeling and experiencing. That can be beneficial for everyone involved.
Elements of art, creativity and expression should be a part of Education. That way it’s more heart felt and more spiritual. Systems don’t need to be a part of it. We don’t need to complicate it.
I also think photo shoots can be helpful. It’s great to be able to see bodies that look like yours and people who look like you. I think if more people were doing that at that age and around that age— it might inspire others.
For me, its always been helpful for me to see my body, when choosing to remain within it and everything that it contains. And not wanting to lean towards doing other things to it. I want healing to come from my body. How can we provide people with the tools to care for and nurture their body?
WHAT MESSAGE DO YOU HAVE FOR OUR BIPOC + LGBTQ+ YOUTH?
I want to offer a reminder: you are not alone. That’s it.