COMMUNITY ED INTERVIEWS
We are inviting community members who identify as QTPOC (queer and trans people of color) or both LGBTQ+ (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans, Queer, etc) and BIPOC (Black, Indigenous, People of Color) to learn about their educational experiences with gender, race and sexuality, both in and outside of classrooms. With ongoing legislation targeting trans bodies and queer bodies in addition to the relentless attacks against courses and books teaching Black and Brown history— our goal is to use the stories and data to create community-informed content and curriculum that centers the experiences and needs of Black and Brown LGBTQ+ folks.
Check out this month's featured Community Ed Interview below! Please note: Some of the Community Ed interviews make reference to race- and gender-based violence, assault and/or abuse. Please take care of yourself as you engage with the Community Ed Interviews.
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We are looking to interview folks who identify as QTPOC or both LGBTQ+ and BIPOC. Participants are to be compensated $50 for their Google Form and Zoom Interview.
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COMMUNITY ED INTERVIEW WITH LO (SHE/THEY)
LO
Carter
what comes to mind when you hear sex education?
When I think of my Sex Education, I think the lack of it. I went to a Catholic School from K-8th and Sex was not discussed—both in our curriculum or amongst my peers. I learned about it loosely from my mother who’s an author so she’d give us books on different topics. From my recollection, the book was a Christian book; and very watered down. It was around Anatomy and Periods and a tiny section about Sex.
It wasn’t until I was in high school and started to date boyfriends who were much older than me…and I learned from them. I guess you learn once you do it. Felt like trial and error. And from porn and the internet. I remember looking things up like “how do I give a blowjob?”
I’m going into Medicine and I think its important to know the vessel you are in; whatever shape, way or form. Its a way to be more mindful of your well-being, what’s normal to you. And when things are off with you, you can understand your vessel in that way; and that can then bridge some of the gaps in preventative health care.
I also think its helpful to discuss slang terms that might be used to refer to different parts. Like if you’ve only heard “vagina” but never “pussy” or “coochie,” or vice versa —that should be explained because some people wonder if they’re the same thing.
I’d also like to see Sex Ed discuss different sexual orientations including asexuality. Even in comprehensive sex ed spaces, asexuality is not talked about enough. I have people in my life who’ve shared that they feel like they’re broken—and that something is wrong with them if they don’t like Sex or are not interested in Sex. We also need more representation of trans bodies in Sex Ed material and content.
Lastly, sexual abuse and harassment needs to be discussed, especially amongst kids. Those should be conversations as soon as kids are able to comprehend words. We know, especially in Catholicism, young kids are often preyed upon because of their lack of knowledge and so, having these conversations earlier would be supportive especially from a safety perspective. Its important for young people to have the information. It escapes me on why people wouldn’t want their kids to be as equipped to deal with the world.
growing up, what messages did you RECEIVE about relationship SAFETY and consent?
Consent wasn’t really talked about. You know, in Porn, there’s no conversation ahead of time before people start having Sex. It doesn’t exist in that realm. I just knew people had to be into it…but when I was in a relationship, the lines got blurred. I’d ask myself questions like “because we’re committed, do I have to this even if I don’t want to?” I didn’t have those those conversations until later. It wasn’t until I was in college—I went to MSU for my Bachelor’s and they changed my life. They had so many resources, diversity and prioritized discussing gender identity and multi-cultural experiences.
what do you wish you knew about consent as a young person?
I wish I knew that it doesn’t matter what commitment you’ve made to whoever. Or people’s expectations of you. The only expectation that matters is yours. And we need to respect how we’re feeling; or if something feels wrong; or if you’re not just into it. And it doesn’t have to apply only to sex—we can say, we don’t want to be cuddled right now or even hugged right now. For me, growing up, I felt there was so much pressure for women to put out and to always be accessible in that way. And if you weren’t, then there was this idea that “there’s other people who will be [accessible in that way]” and it affected how attractive you were and how you were perceived. And that’s bullshit. You got to look out for yourself; because not everyone else is going to. And only you can decide how you’re feeling. Voice that. You got to advocate for yourself.
how was college supportive of your understanding around gender and sexuality?
It was empowering for me to be at MSU Denver where there were intentional events and speakers. For example, they had a drag performance where students who did drag could perform; and there was room for conversation and dialogue during the show as well.
It was communicated that you always have a wealth of options—and you are a unique individual with unique intersectionality, with unique experiences and unique perspectives. You were also told that you were a fluid being that is going to continue to grow and change—and if you have an option that was appealing to you today, doesn’t mean that tomorrow can’t be different. The MEI (The Multicultural Excellence and Inclusion Department) and the LGBTQ+ department(s) worked really well together because there are many parallels between being multi-racial and being queer/non-binary.
WHAT WERE SOME OF THE PARALLELS YOU FOUND BETWEEN THOSE WHO are MULTI RACIAL AND those WHO ARE queer/NON-BINARY?
To start, I will say there are parallels but there are also stark differences between your racial background and your gender identity. I follow lots of Black Twitter and Melanin Shade Room on IG because its funny. But monthly, like clockwork, there is always the topic about multi-racial Black people being in these spaces. There are some people that believe if you are multi-racial, you need to say you’re multi-racial and not Black. If you’re Black and Mexican, some are like “pick one!” or specifically say you’re multi-racial. And its interesting because I have a friend who is Japanese and Samoan and we’re both multi-racial, but not the same race. Many then refer to “how Black do you look?” “How Mexican do you look?” “How Japanese do you look?” “How dark is your skin?” “How curly is your hair?” There is a difference in how people are treated because of their features, such as how dark or light their skin is. However, I don’t think those things should determine whether you’re more or less of that identity.
I think about people who are non-binary and not androgynous—that’s a big one for folks. People will say, “oh well you look like a girl or a boy” and because it challenges their idea of what non-binary or trans looks like… they don’t present in the way they expect non-binary and trans people to present…it causes people to question the validity. Those experiences of being consistently questioned because you don’t fit someone’s idea of what you should be and that makes them uncomfortable..and that experience of having to consistently be questioned and to advocate for yourself and your identity is exhausting. And it impacts someone’s mental health and well-being. And its challenging to find community with those people because of those shared experiences. Those conversations need to happen more; and I do think its happening around identity markers like gender (like trans and non-binary) and I also hope we can have similar conversations around race and being multi-racial —because we all look so different. And really, so does everyone—we’re all on a spectrum. No more boxes. Boxes are stupid and outdated.
When you hear critical race theory (CRT) what comes to mind and what should be discussed?
The first things that comes to mind when I hear CRT is that a lot of people don’t even know what it is. That is the first thing. It’s like a hot topic on Fox News. People like to make it this Big Bad—almost like, in the “The Children of the Corn.” The premise of “Children of the Corn”—there’s kids in this super small town in Nebraska that are struggling because their corn is dying and that’s how they make their money. Its also White Christian Extremism in Rural America…but there’s eventually this monster who gets the kids together into a cult and they slaughter the adults in the town to make sacrifices to “He Who Walks Behind The Rows.” Fast forward—this monster never actually existed… we never see him… but what’s terrifying is that these kids learn this extremism out of love and are able to create these monstrosities. In every single one of these kids’ brains, this monster is beyond comprehension; it is their own definition of something that is terrifying; and CRT especially through media sources like Fox News—its the same thing.
Everyone has this own idea of how horrific this thing is… and doesn’t actually know what it is. People think CRT is going to wreak havoc on society. CRT is taking something that supports critical thinking about systemic racism and actually tries to comprehend what it is with this foundational factor to better understand ourselves—and meanwhile, there’s others who are screaming “He who walks behind the rows.” That’s my immediate thought.
It’s completely blown out of proportion and villanized. But its also college level. I don’t know why people are talking about their elementary kids learning CRT. They aren’t learning CRT in 4th grade —though I think they should learn elements of it. That also speaks to how far removed some people are… and my point is whoever founded it—maybe there’s something that can be done to better communicate what it is. Though I think people who want to misunderstand it and weaponize it will continue to do so for their own agenda. I do think its important for folks to understand what it is, especially those not in academia, because not everyone wants to hate it. Some people want to know how it impacts or even benefits them.
How did you learn about your race and background?
The first thing that comes to mind, maybe even around pre-school—is Dora the Explorer. I LOVED her. I thought, she looked like me. She was Brown. I didn’t identify with folks who looked mono-racial because I looked different. When it came to Latinx folks, I saw similarities. People often thought I was Latin. I saw Dora and thought she was like me. I told myself, “I also love those same foods, I can totally learn Spanish, I am definitely [Latinx].”
And my mom would tell me “no, you’re not [Latinx]. There isn’t [Latinx] in your blood.” But she never told me “you’re multi-racial” or “you’re Black and white.” I don’t think she knew how to address it. My brother has blonde hair, blue eyes, and light skin. My sister has darker courser hair, dark eyes, and pale skin—and I think my mom didn’t know how to communicate those differences.
And I remember wanting a culture to identify with for a long time. I remember settling with Jasmine from the Disney Princesses—but was dissatisfied. I remember being so disappointed. I also remember getting a lot of books around Rosa Parks, MLK and Ruby Bridges because my mom thought it would be important that I learned about these figures. And I agree….I’m glad she did—but there wasn’t any Fred Hampton or Huey Newton… but I do remember getting the “I got a dream” audio. I listened to that so frequently—maybe because he reminded me a lot of my dad. And I remember being really proud of having a dad that was Black.
But, there was no connection made that Black history also included people like me. I felt on the outskirts of everything for a long time. When I went to Catholic school, there was some conversations... I remember standardized testing in Idaho. They did not have the “check as many boxes as you want” option like they do today. And we were young kids, and so the teachers would tell us which box to check. And for me, it varied depending on the teacher and the school year. It was confusing. It wasn’t until 4th grade that my teacher told me I could check whatever box I wanted. And that was the first time I had gotten choice. And I decided to check Black because that’s what felt most comfortable to me. I also felt conflicted like “do I have to pick one?” “Why do I have to pick one?” But I also was willing to take choice wherever I could get it.
what messages did you receive in high school about your race and background?
High school was very different than my Catholic school experience. My high school was in an incredibly wealthy and privileged area. It became apparent to me that I was living in a world of a lot of uncertainty. The kids that were mono-racial Black made it clear that they didn’t fuck with the white kids. And I confused them. I ended up dating someone who didn’t know my dad was Black and I didn’t realize he was a racist. I remember being in the main hall of the school—and talking with him and his friends—and it came up casually that my dad was Black. I didn’t think twice about it—and I remember hearing “you’re pretty for a Black girl.” Definitely in a condescending way. I was broken up wih the day after. One of my friends told me that he was going to ask me to Homecoming with a Homecoming poster but instead set it on fire outside of our Fire Sciences program garage. I was confused. I didn’t understand why that made me so much different. I wondered, “do I need to disclose my racial background because I might not be read in the way that I am?” High school fucking sucked. I look Greek, Hispanic, Indigenous, etc— I’ve gotten all of the guesses under the Brown feature umbrella. I remember thinking my racial identity is up to whoever is looking at me. How can I exist in a way that is agreeable to everyone? And the reality is that I can’t.
It’s a weird experience that comes with a lot of cool, interesting perspectives; like the duality, but its also rough. And then, there’s the consistent questioning of if we can be hurt or upset by it. Because I am lighter. People like to compare and remind me, “it could be so much worse.” And I”m very aware and cognizant of that. And at that point, I felt I had no community.
2020 and onward; everything that happened with BLM, George Floyd, Breonna Taylor and sparking that conversation on social media, I started to see these multi-racial accounts talking about how multi-racial folks can fit into this movement without taking up space that wasn’t mine. And you know, there was people who said “you need to sit and be silent because this isn’t about you” and others would say, “if you don’t speak up, then you are taking advantage of being lighter and exploiting your community” and further, arguments on whether or not this was or wasn’t my community. I was getting messages from everyone and they were all different.
And these multi-racial accounts would remind me that we have autonomy and we can make choices based on our own experiences. And these are choices that only I can make for myself. And recognizing the opportunities you might have because you look a certain way and similarly the opportunities you might not have because you look a certain way. The conversation around race isn’t one size fits all; there’s a lot more nuance especially when being honest about your lived experiences.
I am happier now and more comfortable in how I exist. It’s unique…but being unique and different comes at a cost. The community is where you find it. And its not just in the people who look like you—is what I’ve found. And I’ve learned a lot from people who don’t look like me.
I think we can all work on listening and creating platforms to doing so effectively. I am optimistic. I feel we are moving in the correct direction. I feel there are more and more people in the Black community that have the mindset of “listening to understand” and not “listening to respond”—and I appreciate that. And it goes both ways. Similarly, I recognize that I don’t what it feels like to be mono-racial and the only way to start is by listening.
How can education and educators better support BIPOC and Queer/trans youth?
Opening discussion and listening. We are entering an era where there are many different flavors of people. To go at it from the perspective that you are an expert in their experiences is a disservice to them. I feel Education would benefit from establishing structure to better help our youth navigate their personal experiences because we’ve graduated past the “one size fits all.” If you want to effectively educate the next generation full of incredibly diverse and unique individuals with extremely vast access to information about how they can present themselves and identify; you need to have education that is as fluid as they are. If you don’t, then what are you doing? It’s a disservice to them, and a disservice to us as a whole.
Open discussions that center their experiences to their comfort level—that’s a great place to talk about consent and boundaries. If an experience is rotting you and you don’t want to talk about it all the time; you don’t have to. There are other ways to offer tools without requiring students to divulge all of their trauma. Cease indoctrination of all types. I would also teach them how to honor each other’s differences. How do you approach someone that you think you can’t relate to at all, looks totally different from anything you’ve ever seen, presents themselves in a way that is unfamiliar, how do you walk around this earth respectfully and how can you actively learn from other people? You aren’t going to ever meet someone who doesn’t have a singular experience you can’t learn from. How can we educate ourselves through others as we live our life? It’s like Continuing Education—everyone is a book in that way. That’s what makes life so cool—it’s like a bookstore.
what message or words of advice do you have for our qtpoc youth?
The world is yours—it’s not up for argument. Others will try to convince you otherwise; especially those who don’t want to let go of how the world has been for them. You are not linear; you are ever-changing. You step more into yourself everyday. Have patience with yourself and your communities. We have a responsibility to our community. There is no wrong way to be you. Only you can decide that for yourself. And, trust your gut. Anything that costs you your truth is too expensive.